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like I folks listen to that noise listen

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that's the noise of 300 skeptics eating

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biscuits at morning tea

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eerie scary chilling isn't it

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 216 for the eighth of

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December 2012 Richard Saunders here with

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you from a partly cloudy Sydney

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Australia and oh lucky me I'm right

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under the flight path today for some

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reason so here the odd 747 or a 380 or

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whatever it is overhead you'll

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understand why every now and then it

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just seems to be my turn for the flight

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path never mind now on this week's show

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the first of some of our reports from

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the Australian skeptics National

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Convention held last weekend in

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melbourne australia and well I really

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must congratulate the organizing

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committee for the the convention down

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there in Melbourne what an effort what

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an effort what a wonderful event they

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put on and was a little mark of how good

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it was even though I wasn't really part

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of putting it all together I was getting

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lots of compliments as I've sort of a

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representative of Australian skeptics by

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people who went telling me what a great

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time it was and they loved the speakers

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and the atmosphere was really good the

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the venue was fantastic what a wonderful

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place to have the convention so all

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those people who bought tickets over the

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last few months thank you and it was

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great to meet so many skeptics own fans

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there at the convention and for all you

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people who missed out don't worry

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there's another convention coming up in

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a year's time in Canberra and I guess

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months to come but for now we have many

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wonderful interviews and insights and

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reports coming up from the Australian

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skeptics National Convention thanks

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again thanks again to me nerd who was

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there running around and people who were

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at the convention will know what I mean

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running around with his microphone we're

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going to kick off today's show however

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with the report from the awards The

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Skeptical Awards the bent spoon award

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the skeptic of the year award special

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life memberships and a very special life

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achievement award that were given at the

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convention that's coming up at the top

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of the show and also in today's show we

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include a report from our good friend

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and reporter Tory Shepherd who is at the

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convention for what it's worth Tory

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and I've got it right here in front of

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me online of course at the punch calm

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today you and just the other day Friday

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the seventh of December in the MX

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magazine which is handed out to

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cities as well so thousands of people

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would have heard Tories report which

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that we have a report an interview with

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tide has some very big news about skep

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tight and it's increasing outreach into

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the world not to be missed special

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and then to wrap up the show it's a

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Maynard special report from the day that

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Maynard and i joined james randi DJ

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children there it turned out that that

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end of the show James Randi visits a

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high school but for now it's time for me

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to run downstairs run down I'll put on

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some shoes first open the fridge maybe

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maybe make myself a pineapple and banana

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smoothie maybe now let you enjoy the

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a tradition of the Australian skeptics

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National Convention for many years has

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of wards chief amongst these is the bed

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most posterous piece of paranormal

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pseudo-scientific piffle and of course

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year I together with Victorian skeptics

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president Terry Kelly were delighted to

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present some of the awards copy would

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start tomorrow i would probably not like

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and somebody who has worked tirelessly

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to turn the music down somebody that's

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been working tirelessly for the skeptic

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of his dedication his enthusiasm and

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without whom the skipping zone podcast

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would be probably fizzled by now can you

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please join me in publicly thanking

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manner I'm seriously though his

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enthusiasm a number of reports he's

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appreciate that I appreciate all the

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work of the reporters on the skipping

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above and beyond the call of duty let's

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I'm going to kick off with the boat

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spoon one of them's the bed sweet one it

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is getting heavy it's got its got for 28

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28 years or so of plots on there so full

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of energy I'm to sign for them to heart

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of science it's the room was built by a

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magician we believe and the woods from

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Noah's Ark it's all happening is all

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mention them there are beds bone what's

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been it's been a favor of the Australian

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skeptics for many years has been some

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great winners over the years all the

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not-so-great winners over the years

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year for the full list for the full list

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please visit www.pay XCOM donate you can

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read all the lists all the nominations

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the finalists as voted on by various

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skeptics are Gary good fellow and choose

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eq powerbands branch every would have

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homeopathy plus more kisses nature's way

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natural medicines homeopathic products

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I'm detecting a thing here now ladies

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and gentlemen the spoon itself there's a

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right on the top here that says the

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Australian skeptic Spencer an award

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presented by james randi dick smith and

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alright envelope yes Vince dude I have

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no idea who this honor goes to but I'm

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finding out very shortly because I've

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done this sort of thing before let me

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see is he Judea and angry no it's just

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simply written with a ballpoint pen the

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winner ladies and gentlemen oh my

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goodness friendship you very very much

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deserve I'm of saying very much dessert

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newsletter the homeopathic option for

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whooping cough I homie up the

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antibiotics make people fat all the

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trauma naturally who you homeopathy for

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good tell me off with the rabbit plagues

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I am NOT making this up

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ladies get him Lee please join me in a

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thank you the skeptic of the year is a

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really important award the winner this

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year and to me is is really important as

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can be a person important being

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organized action and this year it's

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actually an organization you actually

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heard a presentation today about these

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people there they're involved in really

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big issues they're already hard work and

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busy people but they've been really

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important and influential and the person

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who is actually going to come up and

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receive the award on their behalf has

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won the skeptic of the award before

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twice I believe I want to announce with

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great pride and pleasure that the

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skeptic of the Year award has been won

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and the award for the man

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forgot today was to acknowledge the

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graph that the skeptics gave our group

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to keep this going later so thank you

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very much for the skeptics for doing

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that it was very important we

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self-funded in fact we started with

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giving one hundred and fifty dollars

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each and that really paid for post

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office boxes and postage the son of s

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that's just wonderful for us to do that

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and I'm accepting this on behalf of four

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amazing professors professor john dwyer

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i believe you won the skeptics of the

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year award in 2001 alliston mclennan

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professor marcelo costa and professor

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cameraman so thank you very much it's

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something that we hope we've established

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an organization that will go on for a

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long time and things like this will

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other awards on the night were life

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memberships to dr. Richard Gordon former

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president of the Australian skeptics

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here in New South Wales and two longtime

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Victorian skeptic Ken Greatorex

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congratulations to both men and thank

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you for many many many years of

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contribution and then there was the Fred

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of reason to a member of the public this

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year the Fred as it's called went to

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teacher adam van langenberg from

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congratulations Adam and now we come to

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the very special Lifetime Achievement

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fact it's only been given in the entire

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history of Australia skeptics this will

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work only been given once before this is

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how rare and special this award is we're

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going to Bali too much with it the

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previous recipient was Barry Williams

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the mainstay of Australian skeptics too

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many many years and we presented them

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with a little urn of ashes specific

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cricket tragic of course

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Lifetime Achievement Award lead to

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somebody who literally was just family

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ladies and gentlemen the recipient is

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not only is Jane gives James give this

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wonderful certificate which will take

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pride of place in the in the office down

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award we calling this the straightened

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remain as opposed in the beta spoon it's

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actually a bull-roarer if you swing this

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around your head it makes a wonderful

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sound and the little inscription on the

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back Australian skeptics Lifetime

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Achievement Award James the amazing

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just imagine the walls from next door

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ladies and gentleman and didn't ever

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that to have been invited here along

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with my two colleagues in front and DJ

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of course having been so singularly

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honored in this way I came a long way

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for a long period of time and then

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wondered all the way on the way how am I

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going to say thank you this inspires me

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colleagues I want to express our very

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sincere gratitude for your signal of

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appreciation of our efforts we have I've

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worked very hard over the years to make

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sure that our message is carried from

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pole to pole and from one side of the

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earth to the other end that we we've

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done well but there's much more to be

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done because there are tens of thousands

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of people in countries all over this

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globe he still hasn't quite bird the

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message that superstition

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is not to be tolerated it is very

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negative for society for any

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civilization and has led to the downfall

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of civilization Dover history and we

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have not learned well from that I'm very

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proud to have this award and you have

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been invited here because I saying with

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my colleagues and it's very hard for me

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to express my gratitude thank you ladies

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and gentlemen thank you again AB again

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why wallowing in woo woo is bad for your

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health by Tori Shevin has appeared on

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the punch comte you and in MX magazine

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on December 7 2012 it's not often I

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spend a weekend with people happily

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clapping and speaking in ord tones about

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a venerable dude but I overcame my fears

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of group thinking and circle jerking to

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go to the Australian skeptics National

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Convention featuring James the amazing

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Randi some friends of mine were pretty

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skeptical about the skeptics why they

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wondered would people be so overly eager

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to run around and interfere with other

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people's lives and beliefs they had a

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point there is such a thing as Skepta

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fighter a glee of ruining the fun of

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others of punching holes in their

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trusted rituals and treatments we ah

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okay I can be just a tad righteous if

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people want to wallow in woo woo where's

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the harm as Randy a legendary magician

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turned paranormal investigator points

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out believers in Buncombe are unsinkable

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rubber ducks who will always pop back up

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again no matter how often their beliefs

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a puncture so why are skeptics so keen

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to hold them under most people are

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skeptics not because they enjoy ruining

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someone's day but because they know that

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false beliefs do cause harm people die

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of dodgy health treatments people spend

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billions on rubbish pills oh and there's

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this whole notion of truth that is

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generally considered quite important

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take the winner of the bent spoon award

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for example Fran Sheffield is a Sydney

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homeopath who claims among other things

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that homeopathy can be helpful in

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treating domestic violence our website

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claims that homeopathic medicines can be

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used in first aid for

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tis amor they can't they don't work

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they're mostly a mixture of water and

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magical thinking and if you've tried to

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treat someone with anaphylactic shock

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with a bit of diluted flower petal

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you've had some very clear example of

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harm woo woo can do comedian and skeptic

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Lawrence loom pointed out that psychics

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who believe I'll pretend that they can

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talk to dead people are not just taking

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vulnerable people's money they are also

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interrupting the grieving process their

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deceit stops the wound healing properly

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dr. ken harvey adjunct associate

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professor of Public Health at latrobe

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University and serial pain in the pga

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das argued that the Therapeutic Goods

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Administration is complicit in fooling

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consumers by approving unproven

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treatments he says they'll register a

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product if it's shown not to be

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dangerous and Miss imprimatur can give

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the impression that a machine that just

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goes Bing actually does something when

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in fact its efficacy is untested and

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then of course there's the harm done by

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anti-vaxxers of whom we've all heard

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quite enough over the past weeks months

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and years and as we end the date of the

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hoax ellipse December 21st when the

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vulnerable the gullible and the

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defrauded believe the world will end

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there are reports that young people are

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so worried they're feeling suicidal if

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you haven't heard of the doomsday hoax

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it goes as follows an ancient Mayan

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calendar runs out on that date and

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therefore a planet will smash into the

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earth and obliterate us there are some

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pseudo scientific details but it's all

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fear mongering in essence last week the

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Russian government had to deal with a

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panicking population trying to stock up

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for the end times belief in this

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scenario is so widespread that nASA has

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had to work very hard to debunk it and

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to respond to worried emails from all

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over the world NASA astrobiologist David

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Morrison said he'd been contacted by

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young people too worried to sleep or eat

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and buy some who is suicidal with fear

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so the travel day Shania felt on the

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weekend about watching a bunch of

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skeptics all furiously agreeing with

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each other disappeared because they're

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right truth matters [\h__\h] causes harm

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and it is vitally important that we try

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to pull the plug on all those unsinkable

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rubber ducks you can follow Tory

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Shepherd on Twitter simply at Torrey

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hey Kenny oh hi Tom I save this park

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yeah yes great weather oh look a unicorn

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unicorn there are no such things as

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unicorns silly yes there is no there

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isn't hey guys what are you arguing

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about tom thinks unicorns are real say

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so our let's look this up in the

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skeptics dictionary the what how can we

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do this in this park there is the

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computer here you guys probably don't

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know about the skeptics dictionary app

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available now for iPhone iPad and iPod

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touch in the app store Wow cool the app

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lets you access all of the great

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skeptics dictionary articles when you're

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on the go here let me look up unicorns

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sound cool Kenny prepare to be proven

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wrong it says here the Unicorn is a

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creature from fables aha actually I see

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now that someone just dumped their ice

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cream cone on that horse's head thanks

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well folks here i am in beautiful

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california i know i've been back in

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australia better I've flown back

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secretly to California well now I

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haven't it's all alive I'm here with

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another great light Brian daddy oh my

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what a terrible insult I work so hard

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and getting my information correct and

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you know Here I am being lamb basted

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publicly yeah well I mean get used to it

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I mean you are used to it out here no

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scary but of course skip toid is one of

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our favorite podcasts in the for the

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past few weeks we've been hinting and

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alluding to a very interesting and

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important announcement from skipped

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ahead Brian and well here's your

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opportunity to tell the world as many

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many of my listeners know i am trying to

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i would love to get skep tied to reach a

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broader market so i often choose topics

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that are in various genres various

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industries hoping to attract new markets

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and finally i'm taking probably the

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biggest step in reaching a new market

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this is a usually usually the listeners

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to scupper use to hearing may say you're

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listening to skep tide i'm brian dunning

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from sceptile calm and now they're going

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to hear you can i say teenis escaped I

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wish ELISA Julie just kept i commed

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aussie yen wow wow and you did that so

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well brighter Thank You attention I so

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I'm taking selected scaphoid episodes

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and I'm bringing them to China and I'd

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like to introduce to you today my

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Chinese host hi everyone my name is Lisa

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and I'm from mainland China I have been

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living in the United States for about

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five years okay and I studied

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translation and rotation and also i'm

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always a big fan of signs so that's what

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interests me about the show that can

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combine my interest in my skill together

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and to help to deliver the show in

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chinese that's that's that [\h__\h] that's

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such a good attitude and you've got such

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a lovely soft speaking voice i think it

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you do you do it's really easy to listen

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to no wonder people favored your voice I

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think that I was yeah I was really

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flattering to know that people liked my

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voice and do you find it after five

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years living in the United States I know

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I've tried to learn a different language

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I can sort of get by an in German as a

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matter of fact but after living in a

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country for five years it must be

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interesting to have two languages going

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on inside your head all the time yeah

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actually that's especially when I was in

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school receiving my training translation

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always have to you know like a switch

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from English to Chinese yeah in the

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other way around the other way around

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have you used to that you have to get

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you do absolutely and when you've been

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recording the episodes in Chinese and

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it's a silly question of course it's all

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written out in Chinese so you're just

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reading the characters as as they're

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written up that must be an interesting

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project so are you actually doing the

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translating yourself where you're just

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reading the dream both the true home

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part in the recording part so I think

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it's very important because I can

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understand if i'm just reading out

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something i never you know seen before

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in English there probably won't make

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sense to me why is in that way because a

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lot of topics are really has a lot

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professional knowledge and true

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knowledge so it's not an easy job it's

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not an easy job to get a huge chunk of

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text or information and then translated

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into another language and make it sound

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good and make sense no it's actually a

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lot of work yeah it's only like a

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dimensional English might be shorter

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it's varies from each episode but

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actually a lot of work we have done

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background yeah because you have to get

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the meaning right yeah yeah at the end

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of the day it still has to say the same

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thing that the original English episode

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said you can't have a different

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conclusion of the hinton so now of

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course it has to be one hundred percent

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faithful to the original

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source material but it's also we have to

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adjust the language style so people can

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understand better because you have to

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taking into consideration sideration the

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let the culture difference in different

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structure of language and yeah and what

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people used to hear in their radio well

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prop but you know podcast yes yes

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absolutely right and of course well it's

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interesting because I'm so used to

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listening to skip toyed with Brian's

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voice oh yeah it's quite something

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that's that's quite interesting said

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hear it in another voice let alone in

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Chinese completely different so so

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basically the idea is we're just going

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to take ESCA point and we're going to

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put it in the chinese itunes store which

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is a fantastic opportunity because it's

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pretty much wide open there are very

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very few podcasts in in the chinese

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itunes store certainly in this category

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and i think this is going to be a huge

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opportunity for us to reach basically

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the world's largest market well this is

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quite a coup for the skeptics on podcast

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I'm i say i'm actually speaking to the

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two voices of skip toid know about that

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that's very exciting i think that i

545
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think the biggest challenge here and

546
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something that probably a lot of people

547
00:28:42,210 --> 00:28:39,879
are wondering is what about the topics a

548
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:42,220
lot of people have said to me oh the

549
00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:43,840
chinese government is going to block

550
00:28:48,899 --> 00:28:46,600
your website or a lot of the topics

551
00:28:52,889 --> 00:28:48,909
aren't going to have any meaning for a

552
00:28:55,529 --> 00:28:52,899
Chinese audience Lizzy what do you think

553
00:28:57,749 --> 00:28:55,539
about about that from the topics we

554
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:57,759
selected so far I don't see anything

555
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:01,600
that will cause that problem because we

556
00:29:08,970 --> 00:29:03,850
are just focus on general scientific

557
00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:08,980
topics and it's nothing really sensitive

558
00:29:13,930 --> 00:29:12,190
yeah yeah political I you're really

559
00:29:16,029 --> 00:29:13,940
religious group in terms

560
00:29:18,909 --> 00:29:16,039
and I think that's a pretty wise move

561
00:29:21,399 --> 00:29:18,919
because okay that's a that's a fight or

562
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:21,409
a topic for another occasion may be

563
00:29:25,389 --> 00:29:23,330
initially you just want to get good

564
00:29:27,490 --> 00:29:25,399
interest in good interesting science and

565
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:27,500
the sort of things you do reach a

566
00:29:30,999 --> 00:29:29,090
broader audience you know there's a lot

567
00:29:33,610 --> 00:29:31,009
of there's a lot of topics that I've

568
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,620
done on skep tight that cover like a

569
00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:36,080
small ghost story in some city in

570
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,120
America well of course nobody in China

571
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:40,399
is going to have ever heard of that so

572
00:29:44,740 --> 00:29:42,110
that's not one of the topics that we're

573
00:29:47,019 --> 00:29:44,750
going to choose how did you decide out

574
00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:47,029
of the 300-plus episodes of skip toid

575
00:29:50,889 --> 00:29:49,070
how did you decide which ones to stop

576
00:29:53,379 --> 00:29:50,899
it's a good point you mentioned that

577
00:29:56,769 --> 00:29:53,389
there's just three hundred and I don't

578
00:29:57,970 --> 00:29:56,779
know 350 or so episodes right now and so

579
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,980
that gives us a lot to choose from

580
00:30:03,220 --> 00:30:00,320
because a lot of those we have to

581
00:30:05,230 --> 00:30:03,230
scratch off the list right away we're

582
00:30:08,669 --> 00:30:05,240
not doing student questions we're not

583
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:08,679
doing Corrections we're not doing

584
00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:11,840
listener feedback and of course we're

585
00:30:19,389 --> 00:30:15,220
not doing any of the topics that are to

586
00:30:21,639 --> 00:30:19,399
United States centric or two European

587
00:30:25,389 --> 00:30:21,649
Central so these are these are ones that

588
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:25,399
are just general general interests that

589
00:30:31,389 --> 00:30:28,490
we think anyone in the world would enjoy

590
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,399
wow that's fantastic now that Lee and

591
00:30:36,610 --> 00:30:34,159
forgive my ignorance here but the

592
00:30:39,820 --> 00:30:36,620
Chinese language which these are in is

593
00:30:42,580 --> 00:30:39,830
mandarin yes there you go so what do we

594
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:42,590
use mainland China okay at your part

595
00:30:47,169 --> 00:30:45,110
yeah okay I should also talk about how

596
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:47,179
how we chose Liz Lee for this for this

597
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:50,809
project I had I guess a total of I

598
00:30:58,090 --> 00:30:55,610
talked to a lot of Chinese hosts and I

599
00:31:03,279 --> 00:30:58,100
got voice recordings from five of them

600
00:31:06,340 --> 00:31:03,289
and we sent those five to a focus group

601
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:06,350
of people that I have in China and they

602
00:31:12,369 --> 00:31:08,690
listened to the mall and overwhelmingly

603
00:31:16,629 --> 00:31:12,379
they they preferred Lizzy's voice so

604
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:16,639
it's nice how about that how about that

605
00:31:23,230 --> 00:31:20,559
business and just just buy raw chance

606
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:23,240
Lizzy lives about two blocks away from

607
00:31:26,590 --> 00:31:24,769
me that in the whole United States

608
00:31:31,330 --> 00:31:26,600
delicious ice you know that

609
00:31:33,010 --> 00:31:31,340
absolute chance amazing that's excellent

610
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:33,020
that's very good to know well this is

611
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:35,090
really exciting and somebody who has a

612
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:38,090
very keen interest in sceptile sceptile

613
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:40,910
podcast as i do and a good friend of

614
00:31:45,970 --> 00:31:42,530
brian i'm so delighted that you've come

615
00:31:48,580 --> 00:31:45,980
on board and I I will listen to the

616
00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:48,590
episode of course I may not understand

617
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,360
it in fact I won't but I will loved it

618
00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:52,640
to know it's out there and I haven't

619
00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:55,100
listened to it and I encourage all the

620
00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:57,049
skeptics own listeners for heaven's sake

621
00:32:01,690 --> 00:31:59,480
if you know somebody in China or Chinese

622
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:01,700
yourself or you spread the word and

623
00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:03,890
what's that website they should run to

624
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:09,080
brian it is Sceptile com CN and you say

625
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:10,610
the same way you pronounce it the same

626
00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:12,110
way in chinese right on them on the

627
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,470
podcast you actually say scam toy dog um

628
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:17,600
dos en and people in trying to know what

629
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:19,490
that means yeah there's nowhere to go

630
00:32:23,770 --> 00:32:21,950
Wow how about that I tried to get

631
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:23,780
sceptile CN but someone was

632
00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:26,720
cybersquatting it oh really yeah that's

633
00:32:33,310 --> 00:32:30,860
a bad it's too bad well yeah as I say

634
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:33,320
again it's very exciting news and I hope

635
00:32:37,899 --> 00:32:36,169
you get a thousands of more listen is it

636
00:32:39,730 --> 00:32:37,909
that would be fantastic please I mean

637
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:39,740
that's that's the idea so yeah anyone

638
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:41,809
who knows if you're Chinese just like

639
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:44,480
Richard said if we want to spread the

640
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word within China and the whole Chinese

641
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:50,179
speaking world as much as possible this

642
00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:52,130
is you know I think it has the potential

643
00:32:56,980 --> 00:32:54,470
to be enormous I think we're very

644
00:32:59,529 --> 00:32:56,990
excited about well Brian and Lizzie

645
00:33:02,409 --> 00:32:59,539
great to see you here in sunny

646
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California and all success to Chinese

647
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CA n sceptile shaker crucially podcast

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Alana cncl link Li Dao itunes the

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Chihuahua Jan SATs I sceptile photo 7 11

655
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the sceptile science podcast by brian

656
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:56,940
dunning is now available for Chinese

657
00:34:02,990 --> 00:33:59,460
audience please tell your Chinese

658
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:03,000
friends to visit skip tight hun sen a

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fine skip toyed and a chinese itunes

660
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here's my not spooky action at a

661
00:34:33,899 --> 00:34:31,529
really this what do you get when you mix

662
00:34:36,809 --> 00:34:33,909
300 high school students a heat wave and

663
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:36,819
James Randi yes I know it has a

664
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:38,770
potential to be smelly but it's not what

665
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,750
you think we thought would actually find

666
00:34:43,889 --> 00:34:42,159
out what would happen if we did this on

667
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:43,899
the twenty-ninth of November and we made

668
00:34:47,609 --> 00:34:45,970
our way with mr. Richard Saunders in the

669
00:34:48,809 --> 00:34:47,619
boot of the car and a whole bunch of

670
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:48,819
other skeptics to actually got to sit

671
00:34:52,829 --> 00:34:50,889
inside to the concert hall at McKinnon

672
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:52,839
Secondary College in Melbourne now this

673
00:34:57,930 --> 00:34:54,970
is a school with its own skeptical club

674
00:35:00,960 --> 00:34:57,940
founded by mr. adam van langenberg or

675
00:35:02,579 --> 00:35:00,970
mr. v as the students call him now he's

676
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:02,589
the same teacher who won the Fred award

677
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:04,000
this year so you can just imagine how

678
00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:05,920
excited the students were to have James

679
00:35:09,870 --> 00:35:08,020
Randi speak I caught up with some of

680
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:09,880
them just before James Randi took the

681
00:35:15,089 --> 00:35:13,599
stage look where are we and what is

682
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:15,099
going on here I think I might talk to

683
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:17,190
the only person in the room who knows oh

684
00:35:24,299 --> 00:35:21,369
we're here to listen to james randi at

685
00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:24,309
mccann secretary to college um he's

686
00:35:29,069 --> 00:35:25,990
gonna give us a lecture about skeptics

687
00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:29,079
and you're all in a group what group you

688
00:35:33,779 --> 00:35:31,750
in skeptics society now why did you join

689
00:35:36,029 --> 00:35:33,789
the skeptic society because it's awesome

690
00:35:37,769 --> 00:35:36,039
okay and what put your interest go hang

691
00:35:39,779 --> 00:35:37,779
on I'll come along to this and use my

692
00:35:41,069 --> 00:35:39,789
own time why did you get into it because

693
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:41,079
it sounded like a fun thing to do

694
00:35:46,109 --> 00:35:44,410
recesses and lunches and if you learnt

695
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:46,119
anything interesting in the society so

696
00:35:52,589 --> 00:35:49,510
far yes so much um things on alternative

697
00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:52,599
medicine on ghosts on this yeah and tell

698
00:35:58,829 --> 00:35:55,420
us what's Adam really like his jokes are

699
00:35:59,880 --> 00:35:58,839
horrible yeah here's somebody look

700
00:36:02,609 --> 00:35:59,890
you've got the gossip on him what's he

701
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:02,619
like as my math teacher it's just so

702
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:06,180
painful to put up with him for so many

703
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:09,849
told us he was English literature he's

704
00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:12,970
also IT as well but no no he's great yes

705
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:14,950
and what have you learnt being in the

706
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:16,990
skeptics society I've learned a lot such

707
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:19,690
as the fact that unicorns don't exist no

708
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:22,960
what what and unicorns do exist ah yes

709
00:36:27,779 --> 00:36:25,210
but i'll go drawing one on my wall it's

710
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,789
pink well exactly exactly you can't you

711
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:29,680
have no evidence of that unicorns don't

712
00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:32,230
exist it can't be proven okay copy

713
00:36:37,049 --> 00:36:35,380
definitively disproven sorry this sounds

714
00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:37,059
like a skeptic class to me hey did you

715
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:38,470
participate in the bucket on the head

716
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:40,680
test well technically I

717
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:42,300
it I didn't sit with the bucket on my

718
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,650
head but I didn't share with the people

719
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:45,599
with buckets on their heads that was a

720
00:36:50,359 --> 00:36:48,180
great experiment to do yes but it's not

721
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:50,369
very accurate no well you gotta start

722
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,530
somewhere hey it's raw data i think they

723
00:36:56,180 --> 00:36:54,240
call it i'll make my way along the line

724
00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:56,190
of people thanks for that everybody yeah

725
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:57,569
we're here to see around you today what

726
00:37:01,400 --> 00:36:58,530
do you reckon is down talk about you

727
00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:01,410
want take a guess um I actually have no

728
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:03,480
idea to be honest but it's good to be

729
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:05,910
out the Sun it's about 127 outside isn't

730
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:08,700
it well yeah in Fahrenheit probably a

731
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:11,460
good that's a skeptic for you now what

732
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,210
have you learned from being in the

733
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:14,400
skeptics society um I learned a lot

734
00:37:22,309 --> 00:37:19,680
actually like ghosts like psychics yeah

735
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:22,319
and why did you get involved in the

736
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:25,170
skeptics society initially I just

737
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:28,710
thought it was kind of interesting yeah

738
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:32,280
yeahs papacy yeah okay now and why did

739
00:37:35,089 --> 00:37:33,420
you get involved in the skeptics group

740
00:37:37,339 --> 00:37:35,099
and what you are you and by the way I'm

741
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,349
in year 7 and I got involved in the

742
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:38,880
skeptical society because it sounded

743
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:40,260
nice and I've learned all kinds of nice

744
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:42,690
things till that but since then whatever

745
00:37:50,299 --> 00:37:46,380
I not good with tenses but you but

746
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:50,309
science yes scientists okay like

747
00:37:53,809 --> 00:37:52,260
actually while we're here at the skeptic

748
00:37:55,099 --> 00:37:53,819
dhruva mckinnon in high school I've

749
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:55,109
actually got some women that are

750
00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:56,220
involved in the skeptics group and

751
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,720
interested in science and people always

752
00:38:01,339 --> 00:37:59,280
saying how can we get more women

753
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:01,349
involved in science or learning about

754
00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:02,609
science and how it can we get them

755
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:04,230
involved in skepticism and here's a

756
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:05,520
couple of them that could probably give

757
00:38:09,740 --> 00:38:06,569
us the answer because you're doing it

758
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:09,750
absolutely well teenagers actually which

759
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:12,510
is also not exactly the demographic

760
00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:15,180
usually for skeptics but I fan

761
00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:16,920
skepticism through podcasts actually and

762
00:38:20,089 --> 00:38:18,630
may not I'm a big fan of yours actually

763
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:20,099
have to say i love your interviewing

764
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:22,200
style what the what the actual Maynard

765
00:38:25,819 --> 00:38:24,569
malaise podcasts absolutely well yeah

766
00:38:28,549 --> 00:38:25,829
that's one of the ones I listened to you

767
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:28,559
I initially it was the SGU and now I've

768
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,710
the whole podcasting is all network now

769
00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:33,839
so I listen to everything really and I'm

770
00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:36,390
a big fan of yours well thank you and so

771
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,619
if you found your way through this

772
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:39,119
skepticism through listening to stuff

773
00:38:43,579 --> 00:38:40,980
like that as well um no I found my way

774
00:38:46,099 --> 00:38:43,589
because when mr. be at the start of last

775
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:46,109
year he might that so called mr. v it's

776
00:38:51,069 --> 00:38:48,900
just like mr. Cunningham like the Fonz

777
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:51,079
always called him mr. v as well

778
00:38:56,109 --> 00:38:53,569
it's very happy days of you anyway sir

779
00:38:58,479 --> 00:38:56,119
see he called it that's right mm-hmm at

780
00:39:00,009 --> 00:38:58,489
the start of last year he like said a

781
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:00,019
speech in front of the whole school and

782
00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:03,440
he just said he was really funny and so

783
00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:05,150
it got cut a lot of people into it and

784
00:39:09,279 --> 00:39:07,160
then eventually I just found myself

785
00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:09,289
interested in the things that we would

786
00:39:12,910 --> 00:39:10,670
talk about them because I found myself

787
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:12,920
relating okay and why did you get

788
00:39:16,089 --> 00:39:14,930
involved with the group and how come you

789
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:16,099
think there are more women involved in

790
00:39:21,219 --> 00:39:18,410
skepticism I honestly don't know I mean

791
00:39:23,859 --> 00:39:21,229
it's a great thing I got involved with

792
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:23,869
his speech originally and I came on off

793
00:39:27,789 --> 00:39:25,609
because I was busy with other stuff and

794
00:39:30,009 --> 00:39:27,799
then my friend here Torin he decided to

795
00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:30,019
drag me along and so I've been there

796
00:39:33,699 --> 00:39:32,420
every week all year so what's the area

797
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:33,709
you're most interested in is that the

798
00:39:37,690 --> 00:39:35,569
paranormal the way science is applied to

799
00:39:39,489 --> 00:39:37,700
everyday life I think it's more the

800
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:39,499
health sciences are applied to everyday

801
00:39:44,890 --> 00:39:42,049
life because I've grown up with a lot of

802
00:39:47,469 --> 00:39:44,900
science background so what's the field

803
00:39:49,959 --> 00:39:47,479
you're interested in um chemistry no

804
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:49,969
yeah you can you see a career in that

805
00:39:54,099 --> 00:39:52,880
yep most definitely and what do you

806
00:39:55,299 --> 00:39:54,109
think there aren't more women coming

807
00:39:57,789 --> 00:39:55,309
along and getting involved in the

808
00:40:00,009 --> 00:39:57,799
sciences or is that just a myth I think

809
00:40:03,849 --> 00:40:00,019
there have been more women in science

810
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:03,859
nowadays I like our group because it's

811
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:06,910
not purely skeptical there's also social

812
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,910
aspects and a lot of banter which is fun

813
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:12,079
mmm oh and did I mean that's one of the

814
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:13,369
reason why the church has done so well

815
00:40:15,939 --> 00:40:14,569
over the years because as well as all

816
00:40:17,799 --> 00:40:15,949
the doctrine they've got the fellowship

817
00:40:18,999 --> 00:40:17,809
and I think the fellowship is part of

818
00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:19,009
the skeptic thing is a great thing to

819
00:40:24,699 --> 00:40:21,380
have as well yeah definitely I'm feeling

820
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:24,709
of community really and well I suppose

821
00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:27,529
some women wouldn't find so much in the

822
00:40:31,809 --> 00:40:29,630
skeptics movement but I do I think there

823
00:40:34,959 --> 00:40:31,819
is a community there people are willing

824
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:34,969
to see it is like sitting with all these

825
00:40:39,999 --> 00:40:37,369
skeptic heavy weights around me it's

826
00:40:42,130 --> 00:40:40,009
really exciting for me butts up but if

827
00:40:44,259 --> 00:40:42,140
people that just don't appreciate that

828
00:40:47,170 --> 00:40:44,269
community yet wouldn't appreciate that

829
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:47,180
as much you can look I'm big fan of the

830
00:40:49,930 --> 00:40:48,410
Discovery Channel and as lot of ghost

831
00:40:52,209 --> 00:40:49,940
shows on there that make it would get my

832
00:40:54,489 --> 00:40:52,219
goat sometimes yeah I hate all the ghost

833
00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:54,499
shows and then chasing UFOs it's all

834
00:40:58,449 --> 00:40:56,329
about doing stuff in the dark and hiding

835
00:40:59,440 --> 00:40:58,459
I found the mind of entertaining

836
00:41:00,970 --> 00:40:59,450
actually I

837
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:00,980
they make me laugh they make me laugh a

838
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:02,570
lot yeah I don't think that craptastic

839
00:41:06,730 --> 00:41:04,850
is the word we're looking for that's one

840
00:41:09,730 --> 00:41:06,740
of those things which like it's so bad

841
00:41:12,310 --> 00:41:09,740
you laugh so hard but I'm one of the

842
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,320
best shows is Mythbusters oh yeah great

843
00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:15,200
show great show look thank you for your

844
00:41:20,290 --> 00:41:16,790
time I'm Chris quickly what's your names

845
00:41:22,210 --> 00:41:20,300
again Ronnie Elizabeth aya Lisa okay

846
00:41:24,430 --> 00:41:22,220
thank you now the temperature outside

847
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:24,440
heating 38 degrees Celsius or around

848
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:26,690
about a hundred degrees Fahrenheit over

849
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:28,730
300 students poured into the hall and

850
00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:30,050
I'm afraid the air-conditioning just

851
00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:31,670
couldn't handle it on the day in fact it

852
00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:33,500
may not have been working at all but it

853
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:36,440
may it was submitted smelly in there the

854
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:37,730
air-conditioning just couldn't handle it

855
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:41,450
and then got harder and harder even DJ

856
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:44,330
Grothe was reduced to a puddle and that

857
00:41:48,220 --> 00:41:46,070
doesn't happen easily but nevertheless

858
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:48,230
the show went on let me tell you people

859
00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:50,390
there was a sweating in the underwear

860
00:41:54,820 --> 00:41:53,060
and not in the good way but first before

861
00:41:57,580 --> 00:41:54,830
you want one mangas i would like to

862
00:42:00,490 --> 00:41:57,590
introduce somebody to you this is DJ

863
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:00,500
Grothe all the way from the other side

864
00:42:13,019 --> 00:42:11,309
everyone is my big pleasure to introduce

865
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:13,029
the speaker for this afternoon's

866
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:16,089
presentation the founder of the James

867
00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:18,130
Randi Educational Foundation known

868
00:42:23,370 --> 00:42:19,660
throughout the world for his tireless

869
00:42:26,099 --> 00:42:23,380
efforts combating unreason charlatans

870
00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:26,109
the people who will lie to you and take

871
00:42:29,009 --> 00:42:27,430
your money pretending to have

872
00:42:31,859 --> 00:42:29,019
supernatural powers that they don't

873
00:42:53,339 --> 00:42:31,869
actually have please join me in

874
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:53,349
welcoming james randi don't have any

875
00:42:59,130 --> 00:42:56,890
amplification and that 84 I think I need

876
00:43:01,769 --> 00:42:59,140
a bit of applicator the ways i'd like to

877
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:01,779
be taller the one about 10 i haven't

878
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:03,609
found out i do that if anyone knows the

879
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:07,049
secret I'd be happy to talk to you our

880
00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:09,130
what I really going to be basically

881
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:12,430
talking to you about today is that how

882
00:43:18,269 --> 00:43:16,240
do we know things everybody says well I

883
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:18,279
know this I know that it took us really

884
00:43:25,769 --> 00:43:23,200
cool except for endo things like that

885
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:25,779
and they can top this age but how do we

886
00:43:29,789 --> 00:43:27,970
know that we know things and how do we

887
00:43:33,539 --> 00:43:29,799
go about making decisions on whether or

888
00:43:37,170 --> 00:43:33,549
not this is your truth more specifically

889
00:43:39,509 --> 00:43:37,180
as a professional magician I have a

890
00:43:42,259 --> 00:43:39,519
little bit of knowledge about the

891
00:43:45,420 --> 00:43:42,269
psychology of the average person and

892
00:43:48,059 --> 00:43:45,430
there's a huge crowd here today and I i

893
00:43:50,279 --> 00:43:48,069
think i may have already fooled you

894
00:43:54,059 --> 00:43:50,289
could you imagine that but i didn't even

895
00:43:55,859 --> 00:43:54,069
try James Randi spoke for an hour almost

896
00:43:57,690 --> 00:43:55,869
passing out in the heat how to get some

897
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,700
water up there to him buddy amazed the

898
00:44:01,710 --> 00:43:59,680
student for these stories and shocked

899
00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:01,720
them with videos of psychic surgery and

900
00:44:07,019 --> 00:44:05,319
the famous fake healer peter Popoff and

901
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:07,029
just when we're ready to carry him off

902
00:44:11,009 --> 00:44:08,650
and cooling down and put him in a coffin

903
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,019
insist on performing his rope escape and

904
00:44:14,789 --> 00:44:13,119
card trick for the students and just how

905
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:14,799
was it will he is one of the

906
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:16,380
announcements that came over the PA

907
00:44:27,250 --> 00:44:24,310
we'll be running a chosen lunchtime and

908
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:27,260
finishing school of it earlier so we'll

909
00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:30,140
be running with a with a timetable due

910
00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:37,190
to the heat for the students who like a

911
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,280
bit of shade please make sure today the

912
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,560
true you stay out of the direct Sun now

913
00:44:50,860 --> 00:44:44,960
it is very extreme very unusual when

914
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,870
there's time of the year is out now so

915
00:44:57,220 --> 00:44:52,880
the boys can take the its eyes off for

916
00:44:59,080 --> 00:44:57,230
the best sound days thank you look well

917
00:45:00,730 --> 00:44:59,090
in melbourne now it's currently 36

918
00:45:02,350 --> 00:45:00,740
degrees outside but certainly a lot more

919
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:02,360
than that inside the MacKinnon high

920
00:45:06,490 --> 00:45:03,710
school hall but you had a couple of

921
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,500
hundred restless kids yes indeed I did

922
00:45:11,410 --> 00:45:09,200
and I unrest old them or something like

923
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:11,420
that I I I got through to them

924
00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:13,250
eventually I guess but it was very very

925
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,990
difficult to do yeah all the temperature

926
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:16,640
inside that hole was very hot actually

927
00:45:20,590 --> 00:45:19,130
you a show must go on guy have you ever

928
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:20,600
had to stop a show halfway through god

929
00:45:23,350 --> 00:45:21,890
that's it i'm not going to get up there

930
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:23,360
in Niagara Falls of that jacket on sooo

931
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:25,190
cold you don't know how many times I

932
00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:26,690
said the hell with it but that I only

933
00:45:31,390 --> 00:45:29,060
say that backstage and then the lights

934
00:45:34,270 --> 00:45:31,400
come up and the music starts to play an

935
00:45:36,990 --> 00:45:34,280
arm out there like a fool yes I know

936
00:45:40,810 --> 00:45:37,000
I've never never missed a show that I

937
00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:40,820
didn't have a temperature of I got it

938
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:42,680
gonna be careful how I name temperatures

939
00:45:47,740 --> 00:45:45,050
now using it was a small number you know

940
00:45:50,170 --> 00:45:47,750
no hahaha well whatever body temperature

941
00:45:52,780 --> 00:45:50,180
is and what is body temperature in

942
00:45:54,940 --> 00:45:52,790
Celsius it's usually slightly above the

943
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,950
hotel room air conditioning I see him

944
00:45:59,230 --> 00:45:57,200
okay gotcha well we won't argue about

945
00:46:01,930 --> 00:45:59,240
that will we know but I had a wonderful

946
00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:01,940
time here I exchanged some good moments

947
00:46:06,940 --> 00:46:05,270
and I hope I made my point it was very

948
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:06,950
difficult it was very awkward because of

949
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:09,170
the humidity and the temperature but we

950
00:46:13,290 --> 00:46:11,210
managed it look after all these years

951
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:13,300
you said critical thinking is

952
00:46:16,750 --> 00:46:15,290
potentially boring things to the kids

953
00:46:18,430 --> 00:46:16,760
there I think it needs to happen to be

954
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:18,440
given a different word critical thinking

955
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:20,090
to warm kids up to it so it doesn't seem

956
00:46:24,220 --> 00:46:22,250
like it's hard work yeah maybe a we

957
00:46:28,030 --> 00:46:24,230
should get some glamour going on

958
00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:28,040
yeah get good yeah yeah yeah but look it

959
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:29,420
was great the kids enjoyed the tricks

960
00:46:32,050 --> 00:46:30,770
and everything and I can see them going

961
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:32,060
what's this going on here and then when

962
00:46:37,180 --> 00:46:34,490
you did your stuff your 1 i'm over well

963
00:46:39,490 --> 00:46:37,190
getting spiked might be a good yeah

964
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:39,500
that's a good way let's let's work on

965
00:46:45,130 --> 00:46:41,510
that shall we yeah okay thanks Randy go

966
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:45,140
get cooled i will i'll go Justin ass up

967
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,850
as an aside here we're in a corridor and

968
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:48,560
then this IT worker here at McKinnon

969
00:46:51,790 --> 00:46:49,970
high school came through been how are

970
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,800
you I'm fantastic thank you you found

971
00:46:54,609 --> 00:46:53,119
out that James Randi was coming to your

972
00:46:56,740 --> 00:46:54,619
school you're going to be excited yes I

973
00:46:59,170 --> 00:46:56,750
did I had no idea until about five what

974
00:47:00,400 --> 00:46:59,180
20 minutes ago and what excited me and

975
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:00,410
what I really want to talk to you about

976
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:02,810
was you went on my family a young earth

977
00:47:06,609 --> 00:47:04,730
creationists and you here and you had a

978
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:06,619
chat with him what led you to the path

979
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,930
of critical thinking and the comp

980
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:10,400
potential confrontation with your family

981
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:14,030
well essentially I read the Bible which

982
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:15,890
was something I don't think they've

983
00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:19,609
actually ever done yeah and from yeah

984
00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:20,630
essentially well there's no

985
00:47:25,630 --> 00:47:22,190
confrontation i choose to let them live

986
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:25,640
and well they don't but we'll just you

987
00:47:29,770 --> 00:47:27,830
know christmas time is no fun for me oh

988
00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:29,780
yeah i find it's a good time just just

989
00:47:33,310 --> 00:47:31,790
to be quiet and let it go yeah that's

990
00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:33,320
right i let them let them think what

991
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:36,350
they think and try to get so obviously

992
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:37,850
James Rahon has been around for a lot

993
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:39,530
longer than you how did you discover him

994
00:47:46,050 --> 00:47:42,310
and the whole skeptical atheist movement

995
00:47:50,590 --> 00:47:46,060
so will the internet for most people and

996
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:50,600
essentially Richard Dawkins books got me

997
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:53,210
started and just watching YouTube videos

998
00:47:59,050 --> 00:47:56,810
and debates well I found religion had no

999
00:48:01,060 --> 00:47:59,060
answer for well anyone really I don't

1000
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:01,070
understand myself personally I never

1001
00:48:03,940 --> 00:48:02,390
understood why in the first place always

1002
00:48:05,770 --> 00:48:03,950
felt it was there a moment was there a

1003
00:48:07,780 --> 00:48:05,780
part was a part of the Bible where you

1004
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,790
went hang on well it was it when dudes

1005
00:48:10,570 --> 00:48:08,960
remember the moment that you thought

1006
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:10,580
I've got to start questioning this a bit

1007
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:14,960
further I attended a mega church in

1008
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:17,570
Melbourne and there was a large it was a

1009
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:19,930
part of in there was a large children's

1010
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,110
thing and the day they started pushing

1011
00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:26,480
what you can and can't do Harry Potter

1012
00:48:29,050 --> 00:48:27,830
things like that I was just old enough

1013
00:48:31,570 --> 00:48:29,060
when that had just started coming out

1014
00:48:32,860 --> 00:48:31,580
and so guys had so that you know said

1015
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:32,870
don't don't watch harry potter

1016
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:35,330
witchcraft is real blah blah blah and it

1017
00:48:41,110 --> 00:48:39,230
was hang on a minute no it isn't i feel

1018
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,120
weird here I always felt weird praying

1019
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:43,280
with the group and sort of it's

1020
00:48:48,070 --> 00:48:44,690
something in the back of my mind was

1021
00:48:50,620 --> 00:48:48,080
always why are you doing this you're not

1022
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,630
doing anything nothing over asked for

1023
00:48:54,070 --> 00:48:52,880
happened or anything along those lines

1024
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:54,080
and so I just sort of continued from

1025
00:48:59,070 --> 00:48:57,290
there much of an atheist activist or you

1026
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,080
just quietly doing in the background I

1027
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:01,520
am as much of an atheist activist as I

1028
00:49:07,780 --> 00:49:04,730
possibly can be I other than my family

1029
00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:07,790
I'm quite vocal street preachers and the

1030
00:49:13,210 --> 00:49:10,700
like get a right royal bashing from me

1031
00:49:16,450 --> 00:49:13,220
verbal obviously if they do decide to

1032
00:49:18,490 --> 00:49:16,460
solicit my attention most more often

1033
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:18,500
than not I don't appreciate that sort of

1034
00:49:25,090 --> 00:49:21,410
thing and can you quote viable vs it can

1035
00:49:26,299 --> 00:49:25,100
they do no not really my partner however

1036
00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:26,309
has

1037
00:49:31,429 --> 00:49:29,099
a biblical verbal diarrhea she can

1038
00:49:33,229 --> 00:49:31,439
absolutely ream them it's amazing and

1039
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:33,239
what's her favorite book of the Bible I

1040
00:49:36,279 --> 00:49:34,680
was like asking people this one timothy

1041
00:49:38,449 --> 00:49:36,289
i believe is well no she just sort of

1042
00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:38,459
see that's a bit of an obscure one yeah

1043
00:49:42,259 --> 00:49:40,529
that's right yeah she all of the the

1044
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,269
Chiefs of female of a seaside and the

1045
00:49:46,339 --> 00:49:43,920
women cannot hold Authority other men

1046
00:49:48,529 --> 00:49:46,349
etc etc thing is what does a 1 Timothy 2

1047
00:49:51,319 --> 00:49:48,539
12 or something like I remember really

1048
00:49:53,029 --> 00:49:51,329
oh yeah and she likes to quote that one

1049
00:49:55,219 --> 00:49:53,039
quite a lot over anyone that's female

1050
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:55,229
outside preaching etc accenture Wow look

1051
00:49:58,759 --> 00:49:56,640
better think of your time you let you

1052
00:50:01,009 --> 00:49:58,769
have a chat around it and good luck with

1053
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:01,019
your street preaching action boom well

1054
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:18,270
did you see that UFO sighting that made

1055
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,530
the news what did that latest study

1056
00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:22,240
about alternative treatments really say

1057
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:24,670
is this photo making the rounds real or

1058
00:50:29,490 --> 00:50:27,610
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1061
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1062
00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:36,310
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1063
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1067
00:51:03,740 --> 00:50:48,550
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1068
00:51:09,450 --> 00:51:06,240
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1069
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:09,460
zone folks I tell you what that day at

1070
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:11,050
the the high school and James Randi

1071
00:51:16,590 --> 00:51:14,260
you're speaking it was hot like in hot

1072
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:16,600
like when you think wow that's a hot day

1073
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:20,050
it was even hotter than that but Randy

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carried on it was quite remarkable dare

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I say amazing congratulations Randy for

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making it through that incredible

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experience and congratulations once

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again to teacher adam van langenberg a

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well-deserved award the Fred pornete

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award he received and congratulations to

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his skeptical club and hi Elizabeth on

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next week's show more insights and

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interviews from the Australian skeptics

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National Convention there are so many

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things lined up so many people in the

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coming weeks like DJ Grothe and brian

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thompson and rebecca watson and lots of

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the other speakers who were there lots

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of people who were just there to have a

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good time and enjoy the convention once

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again congratulations to the Victorian

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skeptics there in Melbourne for putting

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on a really great event and before I go

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remember that the skeptics own podcast

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is a listener supported show if you feel

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like contributing head for www skeptics

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really does help keep the show going but

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it'll show 217 this is Richard Saunders

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signing off from Sydney Australia you've

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been listening to the skeptics over

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